After a teacher reported what they felt was abuse, a social worker came by and your mother was able to just charm the pants off her. She was an independent student when she applied. But when youre filling out a box where its yes or no and theres no more information or kind of! box [laughs], its like you have to fit yourself in, saying: Are you the first in your family to attend? At first she went to a friend's home in Ohio and then returned to the Philadelphia area as May and graduation approached to live with a classmate's family. And it became pretty clear to me that they had spoken to Carrie and or seen medical records. Penn shut down in-person classes and gave students living on campus a week to find somewhere else to live until it was safe to return. And I was the one who uncovered my classmates death. And I started interviewing people who were in the class where he died and who were in nearby classes where he died, who knew him, and paramedics who were Penn paramedics and just as many people as I could. She had wanted to appeal the Rhodes committee's findings, but Rafaelle advised her that Penn had hinted to him that it might consider referring the matter to federal prosecutors on the grounds that she had lied about being FGLI on her Free Application for Federal Student Aid form. And MacKenzie is the only one whos allowed to answer these questions. Mackenzie Fierceton of St. Louis was an Oxford student who had to offer her a Rhodes scholarship after the university caught her lying about her financial condition and her unpleasant teenage years on her application reports. And thats actually one of the things that, if there was any doubt whatsoever about this story, in some ways it was settled by that. And so, just the immediate reaction was like: Theres no way. Or is that it separates two into one? Detective Carrie Brandt, who had been planning to follow up on the hotline report at Whitfield that day, instead interviewed Fierceton at the hospital. I didnt encounter many of them in the two years that I was living in foster families. So you applied for your masters in social work and there was a question of whether to check the, what Ive learned is called the FGLI box: first-generation, low-income. Youre engaged in a lawsuit with Penn. As an anonymous letter writer revealed, however, she was also the privately educated child of a radiologist, brought up in an affluent suburb. And what area of it are you going to explore with your Ph.D.? Or is that it separates two into one? [2][e], A spokesman for the D.A. We dont believe you. Have you ever heard of her case? After the trial ended with Morrison prevailing and the agency ordered to remove her name from the child-abuse registry, Fierceton resolved to change her last name. MF: So to me it was pretty clear that it likely came from them. Because that was one of the ones that really blew my mind. Like some students do have a story, more like me where they had some kind of separation from their family; other students their parents were doctors or lawyers or Ph.D. students in other countries, but then they came here and their degrees no longer, essentially, counted or people who are just first-generation and not necessarily low-income or people who are low-income, but not first-generation. [2], Wendy Ruderman, a reporter for The Philadelphia Inquirer, called Fierceton to interview her for a story about the scholarship. Whereas a social worker comes into a poor home and looks around and sees just the normal poverty that our system has foisted on people and says: Oh, well, clearly this is somebody that needs to be stripped out of here. But I just had a bad feeling and I started to try to find more information. "[25], "I cannot avoid the sense that Mackenzie is being faulted for not having suffered enough", Norton told The New Yorker. RG: And so if its a well-educated white girl from a private school, thats way too close to home for a lot of these elites. RG: That they would forward charges to the federal government of wire fraud. My life is over, Im in the hospital, Im at rock bottom. And youre getting instruction from a university official that thats how youre supposed to fill it out, thats what the definition says online. I have some of my own theories, but I want to hear yours. She began to realize that she had no sense of identity. He died of his heart attack within 12 minutes of arrival at the hospital. "Fuck thatI don't have [a family]" she said later. Fierceton grew up in a wealthy community and attended an elite private school in a St. Louis suburb. was truthful, Rafaelle feared that Penn might share its information with the government and if the U.S. Attorney decided to pursue a prosecution, it would be likely to last a long time and consume much of her attention. I n November 2020, University of Pennsylvania graduate student Mackenzie Fierceton, 24, won the Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford University. Like you said, I was called into a meeting. RG: And The New Yorker article also alluded to a few things that you had gotten loose with in a couple of paragraphs. [2], Two weeks after the New Yorker article was published, Fierceton gave an interview to The Intercept's Ryan Grim for an installment of the Deconstructed podcast. And at the time I was like: Why what? And is it somewhat of a defense mechanism that people deploy to protect themselves? You have a good education and youre clearly smart. Right. Like, those two things dont fit together. MF: Yeah. I asked specifically about those boxes and the answer I got was again, this was multiple years ago, but it was something along the lines of I dont think that biological parents are relevant to this. Within a year of her arrest, another St. Louis-area hospital had granted her admitting privileges, and she was able to resume her medical career. And so if its a well-educated white girl from a private school, thats way too close to home for a lot of these elites. Mackenzie Fierceton, 24, claimed she was from a poor background and grew up in foster care when she actually attended private school By Phoebe Southworth 13 January 2022 8:00pm Mackenzie. And Im Ryan Grim, D.C. bureau chief of The Intercept. And whats the difference between the U.S. and English system? And theres also literature thats economic literature versus sociology, different fields have different perspectives on what that relationship between foster care and the criminal justice system is and what the causes are. On Saturday afternoon, Fierceton said she found herself in a Zoom meeting for several hours with 10 other finalists from this region. I think there were almost 30 of those letters again, very similar to who had given statements in the past to corroborate my abuse as well as leaders in the FGLI community saying yes, we started this community. Why would I do that? And I asked in the email exchange: Is this about the anonymous email? I wasnt there for all of this, but after I went through all these interviews, that was my conclusion. Fierceton. [2][h], In January 2020[4] Fierceton had a seizure and collapsed during a class for one of her graduate social work courses. But that was definitely a driving force for why I decided, ultimately, to withdraw because I felt like: OK, federal prison is no joke. Right. Fierceton, according to Penn's response, had learned during her parents' divorce how to make calls to the child-abuse hotline and that teachers were mandatory reporters. RG: Did they make that threat in writing or was that . Fierceton finished her Whitfield education on a scholarship while living in foster homes. Asked by the school's wellness director (who later told police she had seen insulting texts from Morrison on Fierceton's phone) about the reasons for the injuries, Fierceton said that she was "clumsy" but did not offer any details. They would not do so, however, if she agreed to withdraw from the scholarship, surrender the Latin honors that had accompanied her degree, and take a mandatory leave for "counseling and support" before receiving her master's. Am I right about that? So Im not sure if it was Penn who reached out to her or vice versa, which I think is also an important question in all of this. Its just so obvious that you fit the criteria for low-income, but it seems like they feel like you dont fit it in the spirit of how they want it. [9] In a news release, Penn's then-president Amy Gutmann, a daughter of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany who had herself been the first in her family to attend college,[11] spoke admiringly of Fierceton as "a first-generation low-income student and a former foster youth. Like one of them was describing a biological child in a house as another foster child, and something about a half-brother or something.What were those and how were those errors kind of deployed against you? So they heard from her and immediately they call you into a meeting with the deputy provost at the time, Beth Winkelstein . MF: Absolutely. Teachers and parents at Whitfield had donated new clothing and school supplies for her. [1]:86, Morrison prospered in her medical career, and she provided generously for her daughter, allowing her to ride horses, go on river rafting trips and attend exclusive private schools, such as Whitfield, in nearby Creve Coeur, where annual tuition was almost $30,000. So one question was: Are you from a low-income family? So the Rhodes Trust ended up after their quote-investigation, and I submitted all the evidence, they ended up still recommending that my scholarship be rescinded, uh, but I had another opportunity to respond to their report, which I absolutely wanted to do. But its interesting because most of the questions are about these applications and then the second half is when it turns to these questions of the abuse. The university's police did not know at first where the building was and the city's paramedics did not know how to get to it. [14], The publicity led 150 Penn students to stage a walkout from classes to demonstrate in support of Fierceton. You had mentioned that you actually made a transcript of your interview with Deputy Provost Finkelstein shortly after the conversation. She had had a fairly upper middle class life yet was working at multiple fast food restaurants and barely getting by. Cops have accused the MTV star of stalking as well as violation of an order of protection. Fierceton responded that that showed the university's "vulnerability and desperation". [10], Fierceton, who outside of school had also taken on a volunteer position as a birthing doula, decided during that summer to apply for a Rhodes Scholarship to get a Ph.D. at Oxford University in England, encouraged by a classmate who had just won one himself and was impressed by her activism. Yeah. And because poverty and abuse are so pervasive in society and particularly in a country that has such a minimal social safety net and has so much violence. Because Im not under any illusion that Im the typical foster kid. MF: Just a quick circling back, Im actually not sure if it was her who first reached out or if it was General Counsel Wendy White, because I later found out that they had a phone call about 36 hours after the article came out and seemed to talk pretty extensively, and then there were a lot of emails that happened. She and a separate witness said records of child-welfare agencies from years earlier are not easy to obtain. Her mother was arrested and charged with abuse, and Mackenzie went into foster care. But yeah, that, I guess, just one point of clarification that I recently, in the last few months, just found out about. Did she lie? The 23-year-old planned to use. She was one of only 32 high school students selected from a pool of 2300 applicants. Fine. RG: And I just want to read this for people. And especially, again, like these stereotypes of black and brown, low-income families, the knee-jerk reaction is like: Oh, well, theyre unequipped to be a parent. Mackenzie Fierceton didn't come until much later, but with good reason. Again following the advice of her college counselor, she did not identify her parents on her application, since she was estranged from both of them (she describes them both as "biological"[3][2]). 24-year-old Mackenzie Fierceton won the Rhodes scholarship in November 2020, but a tip-off to the prestigious committee kicked off a deeper investigation into the student's background. That was my personal statement. MF: Yeah. But I guess I cant say for sure. But that was definitely a driving force for why I decided, ultimately, to withdraw because I felt like: OK, federal prison is no joke. Youre engaged in a lawsuit with Penn. MF: So thats the background of him. Like what does Penn say when you tell them: Hey, the Penn official who helped me fill this out said that these are the categories that I fit. 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This made Fierceton feel as if she were being watched for anything she did that could be used against the state's case by her mother. Penn, by questioning so much of Fierceton's story, was making itself "complicit in a long campaign of continuing abuse", she added. So how is a person who is filling out this application supposed to know what definition youre supposed to use? The recurring sexual abuse by Lovelace had made Fierceton even more anxious over the summer after he gave her mother a gun as a gift (Morrison had called the police after Lovelace showed Fierceton pictures of the gun. What was the response from the readers of the paper? Mackenzie Fierceton has lost her Rhodes scholarship and her University of Pennsylvania master's degree is being held after an anonymous tipster called out alleged inaccuracies in her school and scholarship applications. RG: Or whatever our kind of contemporary version of it is. Even though I had, again, written statements from two ICU nurses who took care of me saying: Yes, there was blood, [laughs] theres photographs, and there still was the argument of like, there wasnt enough blood or your face wasnt so distorted you could couldnt tell who you were. Theres a lot of chaos. But it was just kind of this rapid fire of: If we look at your medical records, are we going to see you had broken ribs and severe facial injuries? And so I did definitely have that kind of like: I have no idea what else is going to convince these people. And all of us, no matter what our situation, are not completely safe from it. Or is this something thats been overlooked? But it was definitely something I saw happening sort of this funneling of kids from the child welfare to criminal justice system. RG: who was, I believe now, the acting provost. Is it as well explored territory as a school-to-prison pipeline? "Was the problem that a child who was placed into foster care and had no contact with her biological mother wasn't actually a first-generation college student? According to an investigation by the Chronicle of Higher Education, University of Pennsylvania student Mackenzie Fierceton lost her Rhodes scholarship and her master's degree was withheld after. Whereas white parents, a lot of times, it is much harder the bar is much higher to remove them from their homes because their whiteness or possibly class privilege or whatever identities that they have that might not fit a social worker or judges or whoevers involved perception of whose kids should be in the foster system. Theyre not on a website. And then I remembered that my teacher had told me to write a gratitude list. And so, like I mentioned earlier, I dont want to go over too much of the history that led up to your battle with Penn and with the Rhodes trust, because people can find that in The New Yorker article that came out recently, you went over that in some pretty decent length; in Katie Courics podcast in a recent interview there. @RachelAviv for @NewYorker How do I do that in a succinct way when theres a very short word count and youre trying to fit everyones experience in?And so I didnt really think about: Oh, I need to say: This foster sibling who was in the foster care system. Then the University of Pennsylvania accused her of. The university, in its response to Mackenzies lawsuit, referred to Mackenzies mother as an accomplished physician and claimed that a court had found her allegations not to be credible. And then theres the part that felt like: I have no idea whats going to convince these people if I gave them medical records, I gave them forensic photos of me taken in the hospital, I gave them again like corroboration from professors of like how I described myself, from leaders in the FIGLY community. MF: Yeah. And then The New Yorker adds in parentheses that a Penn spokesperson says: Yeah, well, thats not the definition that we use. ", Morrison said. She was an independent student when she applied. Mackenzie Fierceton was named Penn's 2021 Rhodes Scholar. "I advised him that this was ridiculous, and this had to be a 'status thing", she said. She also alleged that Penn had on many occasions failed to follow its own disciplinary policies in its investigation of her.[16]. RG: She, about 10 years ago, she wrote a comment I think on a Gawker post or something like that that we ended up then re-publishing as an essay at The Huffington Post about, and it was about her life in poverty, and it went viral, millions of people read it, extremely well-written piece. Penn officials, of course, have said the interview was appropriate. And so can you talk a little bit about your research? I have all these three kinds of different rationale and corroborations. And its no offense its not like the most profound . What kind of a group is that? Fellow students, their parents and Whitfield faculty also noticed signs which led them to suspect abuse. "[2][j], The evening the story ran, Ruderman called Fierceton back and told her she had received some anonymously written emails casting doubt on what she had written. But while OSC allowed that it may not have been Fierceton's explicit intent to deceive, she had still done so, particularly when checking "yes" on the question on her SP2 application as to whether she was the first in her family to attend college (Fierceton stands by her reliance on Penn's definitions of FGLI on the Penn Plus website and the applicable federal laws; the university says that question is "composed of ordinary words with everyday meanings, and it makes no reference to any term or definition appearing in any other publication. Yeah. And that was the end of it, right? [2], In public, while she was at Whitfield, Morrison and her daughter seemed to evoke the Gilmore Girls, echoing that television series's main characters, a single mother and her precocious daughter with a close and strong relationship. Our focus is not on the debate it reviews over Mackenzie Fierceton's accounts of her life, though we affirm her integrity. MF: You know, I believe the first people who said that was the Rhodes Trust. Was there abuse before this? And so they had to see some benefit to them in doing this. At her request Penn kept her contact information out of the school's directory on its website. MF: She, to my knowledge, has stuck by that. And because you were not just low-income, actually no income, other than the jobs that you were working nobody has complained about the low-income one, right? [2], The trust notified Fierceton at the beginning of 2021 that it was conducting an investigation into the allegations. She had begun to remember more about the incident, and while still not certain how it had happened recalled that before it she and her mother had been fighting about Lovelace. [H]onestly, first-generation is never something I've really identified with fully. Jay Caspian Kang sounded similar themes in two different New York Times newsletters discussing Fierceton's story. And now they have to face the fact that someone who looks like them, who shares all these identities with them, could be the source of all of this harm. One of them, to me, felt pretty clear that it was probably from someone in my biological family, because it had photos of me; it had very specific information that very few people would have and I dont think many people would have random childhood photos of me. [2] Ruderman's story, published the next day, began:[13]. That was my personal statement. [Laughs.] In addition to the complaint she had made against Lovelace, a similar complaint to police that her mother was abusing prescription drugs also did not yield any evidence to support it. Am I right about that? And then to be so unanimously disbelieved and, at that point, this article was like a paragraph and a half. And Im glad that people are having the kinds of systemic discussions that are so key to all of this. Laura Flynn is our supervising producer. And so youre becoming rather inconvenient to the university at that point , I would assume, which plays into the way that universities and elite structures think of diversity, I think. So it makes some sense that they were very similar questions. What happened after you went out of the hospital? That is when I would trace it back to. At Norton's request, a fellow political science colleague, Rogers Smith, who while at Yale had chaired that university's undergraduate disciplinary committee, agreed to represent Fierceton during what he called "a very unusual process". And she was shocked. One, Michael Raffaele, said he believed Morrison was trying to leave Fierceton with no other options. You know, I honestly dont know. Her last set of foster parents had had a baby and she felt less a part of their lives. For all the readers could have known, there could have been a videotape of it happening. I think its a reflection of the systemic prejudices . "I think that we could contribute to the community, the broader Philadelphia community, and the West Philadelphia community more positively, instead of doing things that are not only undermining them but are actively policing them, and end up creating and perpetuating more violence," she told The Daily Pennsylvanian, the university's student newspaper. And then as the different internships, and then I went to get my masters in social work and all of this happened, I started to see that continue in different capacities while I was in different roles, seeing that theme in this relationship between foster care and the criminal justice system. The teen said she was sent to. RG: in America. She recalled showing up at the foster home with her new clothes in a plastic bag, feeling "like a passenger in my own body", she recalled later. 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